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20100330-930 Barthelme, Thompson, and Reed (Group 4)

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Summary

We discussed Post-Modernism today, which stemmed from the Enlightenment movement. The main example given in class concerning rational thinking dealt with Nazi Germany, an amazing display of rational thinking but in a negative way. Making a reference to Ginsberg's Howl, if Nazi Germany and the attempt to exterminate all but their idea of the perfect race was considered logical at the time, then it makes sense for the world to be a bit crazy. We also discussed the differences between Modernism and Post-Modernism.

 

We began our reading discussion with Donald Barthelme's "The Balloon." The balloon portrays the Post-Modernist perspective because it is a story about what stories can do. We first discussed the various aspects of the balloon itself, such as its size, the way it changes, and how it provokes different responses. Once we began discussing the colors of it, Croxall mentioned that it's like a Louis Vitton monster that has come to life. Furthermore, the people of Manhattan focus on using the balloons for personal purpose in their interactions with the balloon rather attempt to decipher what the actual purpose of the balloon may be. The ending creates an intensely private and context specific meaning that the reader would not have guessed; it only gains meaning and perspective in context with the narrative's life, hence the reason for its classification as Post-Modernism.

 

We also compared Modernism to New York City and Post-Modernism to Las Vegas, because Vegas is similar to that which writers of the Post-Modernism world do with their writing. Stories are more playful and ironic. In Thompson's from "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," everything is described as being over the top. There are things that seem out of place and fake. The pastiche of architecture one sees emanates a sense of weirdness, because objects are divorced from their history in Vegas.

 

Word Count: 306

 

Passages

"That was the situation, then. But it was wrong to speak of "situations," implying sets of circumstances leading to some resolution, some escape of tension; there were no situations, simply the balloon hanging there...but at the moment, there was only this balloon, concrete particular, hanging there" (Barthelme 2681).

We discussed in this passage that it was odd to describe a balloon as being "concrete," since it is something soft and tangible, filled with air.

 

 

"It was agreed that since the meaning of the balloon could never be known absolutely, extended discussion was pointless, or at least less purposeful than the activities of those who, for example, hung green and blue paper lanterns from the warm gray underside, in certain streets, or seized the occasion to write messages on the surface, announcing their availability for the performance of unnatural acts, or the availability of acquaintances" (Barthelme 2681).

This passage shows how the people try to impose meaning and purpose to the balloon through graffiti and exemplifies the way mankind desires purpose. The people essentially ascribe their own purposes and meanings to the balloon and choose to ignore what the purpose of the balloon may actually be.

 

 

 

Key Terms

Enlightenment --  Movement in which people progressed through rational thinking

Modernism --    Meanings beneath the surface of the text exist, and there are clues within it to help the reader come to a conclusion

Post-Modernism --   Similar to Modernism in that there are meanings beneath the surface. However, the meanings and interpretations depend upon their context, because the works are more subjective. 

Meta Narrative -- a narrative about a narrative...Leotard considers Post-Modernism to be "skepticism about meta narratives."

Grand Narrative -- Suspicion of applicability of narrative form

Pastiche -- an art term referring to a collage, which means taking things from various sources and combine them to make something new. Vegas architecture is sort of a pastiche since the city consists of numerous representations of famous buildings.

Comments (4)

Katie Simmons said

at 1:06 am on Mar 31, 2010

Caroline, I just reworded some things and added some more. :)

Caroline Smith said

at 10:50 pm on Mar 31, 2010

i dont know where that first passage came from.... does anyone have a page number for it? hunter, do you know the general area of where it came from during our discussion? i just dont remember that part lol

Dawson Zimmerman said

at 8:13 am on Apr 1, 2010

I think we should work in the part we discussed in class about how we as humans shape stories to make them more interesting--I feel like that may be more important than the Nazi part...Also, I think the story is post-modern because it fits the "Populist, Dispersed, Post-structural, participatory, multi-pathed, Wikipedia" postmodernism; a modernist interpretation of the balloon would be to figure out its meaning and why its there, but the postmodern influence is shown by how the people create the many different meanings of the balloon. Does this seem pretty accurate?

Brian Croxall said

at 4:32 pm on Apr 13, 2010

This is a good set of notes for our introduction to postmodernism, which was very much a fast-paced discussion. I especially like your summary paragraph about "The Balloon"; you summed up very well what is happening in that story. By way of clarification, however, postmodernism does not come from the Enlightenment. Rather, it's a reaction and skepticism concerning metanarratives, and the Enlightenment idea of human progress through rational thinking is one such metanarrative that becomes hard to swallow following World War II.

Your key terms are well chosen and defined; since we didn't have time to talk about Reed, it could have been useful to include his text (or even Girl Talk) in the definition of "pastiche." I was a bit surprised, however, that your passages only included Barthelme. While we didn't spend as much time on Thompson, there would certainly have been some space to consider a passage from his work to look at the hyperkineticism of his language. The first passage that you did choose was a bit short. It would have also been worthwhile to point out that this balloon *is* concrete in the sense that the conversation is about a particular balloon which has particular meanings to particular people. It is not a universal symbol, but is rather specific to a particular place and time.

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